The VSA light has come on a few time. I could see that line of thinking for a 1949 chevy though. Get rid of it!!! The dealership said it was fine for my friend to drive the car back home as long as the lights didnt start flashing and the car drove fine. 0000009284 00000 n Oil consumption and spark plug problems! I showed Honda the update but to my knowledge, they didnt act on it to update the computer. connecting rod, do not install the new rings yet. If theyre fouled you may be running rich, and if they look burnt or white you may be running lean. my Car has about 54200 miles on it and burns 2-3 qts of synthetic oil between changes! 300 miles. Its a huge safety issue and I believe it should be fixed first. I have talked to at least 10 different mechanics. I have a 2010 Honda Accord v6 ex-l. Honda just rebuilt the motor because of the oil consumption problem. Honda dont cheat the people that purchased your product.. Since I am retired and have lots of time on my hands, and a strong believe the fighting back is the only way to get justice this will become my hobby. Ive been very dissatisfied with my purchase. 56k miles Bob Howard Honda, Edmond Ok. told me I needed over $800 worth of work to fix this loud noise ( on start up). This time I suggested that they NOT do the oil change before investigating the car for the noise. . Check out this article for more info: http://oards.com/valve-guide-seals-symptoms-and-cost/, Hi so i bought a scooter recently the lad i bought it of claimed a big hole in the exhaust was causing the engine to be loud asf now further on inspection it is blowing alot of white smoke out when running and its spitting fuel out from between the cylinder block and the cylinder head am i right to think my head gasket has blown and its coolant mixed in with the fuel that spits out everytime its kicked over. When I threatened to sue them they replace the rotors for free but again the same thing. I could go on and on. The worst part is I have had Hondas all my life, 89 civic, 2002 civic, 2007 civic si and now my 2008 accord. Ended up having to replace the engine- extended warranty would not cover the cost due to it being a known problem. I was getting oil changes every month. We need a legit recall issued soon to correct this known issue! The dealer would like to help, but the corporate headquarters disallow. I couldnt be more mad/disappointed. If a piston ring is damaged, you can expect a time-consuming task, but DIY is entirely possible. The rings were seized tight from carbon build up. Purchased at 40,000 miles certified used, and six months later, within the 12-month factory warranty period the first misfire incident occurred. Sadly, I know almost nothing about cars. However, the analysis and opinions expressed are our own. As the engine wears, the piston rings may not seal as well, or they may even crack over time due to heat or incorrect tolerances. Job Aid dated April 20,2012 states if oil consumption is 1 qt every 1000k to 3000k and the vehicle is opporated normally they are instructed to contact Tec line for an assessment. 0000003985 00000 n I was then told I would need to pay for a diagnostic for them to continue troubleshooting. I said this is not a way to fix the problem but is just covering it up. We offer a full selection of genuine Honda Accord Piston Rings, engineered specifically to restore factory performance. Car has 127,000 miles on it now and it uses 5 quarts of oil between changes. She said theyd like me to start coming in every two weeks so they can monitor my oil consumption and that wouldnt cost me anything. 7. The engine inside of your vehicle contains a series of rings that are called piston rings. And the front brakes are worn after only 8k mi on them. Bought a used 2008 Honda Accord with 32K on it. At 72k miles the car started misfiring terribly. If I go for that, I should pay likely, and want to be sure. Please help. I didn't see a lot about VCMTuner II so I thought I'd start a new thread. I want to be included in this class-action suit. For a more accurate cost estimate based on your make, model, and location, use the FIXD Sensor and free app. First the rear disc issue and now this. It looks like the deadline to submit claims was April 2014. Instead of straight out fixing the issue, they want you to jump through hoops. I think its about time. If you go to this website and fill out the info survey, this is what the lawyers are using as formal complaints. How can I get more information on being part of this class action suit. The only way to even get them to learn how to deal with their customers is to call up their corporate USA headquarters. I have multiple diagnostic codes errors P3400, P0304, P0303, P0300 to name a few. If there are enough complaints tey might very well doa recall free of charge for the engine work to fix the problem. Honda is responsible, without a doubt. This has been such a hassle (having to go through hell with the dealer and the purchase of Oil) that I will NEVER buy another Honda again. . Sounds like a grinding sometimes loud sometimes quiet but can still hear it. If Honda did not acknowledge the issue previously, how do I know they wont slap in new pistons and rings into a bad block? I have never had a vehicle that needed a quart of oil every 1,000 miles. Actually have a co-worker that had a major issue with his 2008 and ended up having his engine replaced. This video will guide you through how to replace your piston rings. The piston rings are the seal between the piston and the cylinder walls which keep the combustion chambers pressure and oil in the crankcase. Make sure your hands are clean before beginning, as oil and grease can contaminate the pistons if left on. Constantly changing out oil with engine starting to have issues. 750$ to replace. down 3 qts again. Is there anyway I can get involved with this lawsuit? Added to comment below, The noise stopped as soon as the dealer changed the oil and it was actually full. This also locks out VCM. I then begin researching and found all of this. I am stuck paying for the car for the next two years! Can barely believe that this would happen to a vehicle produced by a company known for reliability. I have raised a good stink about this and I am waiting to hear from them today on what the out come of a meeting is that the GM had with one of the BIG guys that came into town this past Friday. Honda Motor Co. has reached a class action settlement over claims that some of its vehicles excessively burned oil, causing engine misfiring and premature spark plug degradation. After they replace the piston rings, they must reassemble the engine and install it back into your vehicle. What are my options? here are the facts. BAD CASE OF USE. Why isnt the recall with the same engine block engineering design defect (which is essentially Not Fit for Use under warrant of merchantability) not included in the class action or a subsequent class action? And costly! My accord has 72000 miles and has changed 3 spark plugs (the first one at 55000 miles and the other two at 65000 miles.The dealer did not admit it is a defect. I notice my problem at 50,000 some miles when my engine would make a noise every now and then I took it to the dealership and they told me there was not enough oil iln my car to touch the stick. It was making me nervous. rings (B). The car starts to lose power and hesitate on the highway then started to do a real scary noise and it shut down it was nasty. The timing chain has already been replaced less that a year ago and now again the problem is present again. AUTOFREN SEINSA BRAKE CALIPER PISTON D025595 I FOR HONDA ACCORD VI,LEGEND II. Had to replace spark plugs at 30000 miles. The mechanic showed me the spark plug from my van and the end is all black, covered in oil. - YouTube 0:00 / 9:40 How to install new piston rings to piston. I took it to the dealership at first they said it was acceptable, that Hondas can burn up to 1/2 a quart every 1,000 miles. Is Honda admitting there is a problem? It is going on 2000 miles test staring 11/21/2012. One day I almost crashed because another vehicle at the all way stop thought Im letting him through by flickering my lights. This video will guide you through how to replace your piston rings. Had a mechanic friend check things out. I guess a lot of people were having that problem. Got up this morning and the car wouldnt start. 2 months later it happens again except this time the oil light is on. Installing new piston rings is part of a top end rebuild however, make sure your piston and cylinder barrel are in good condition if you're reusing them. Im happy with my new 2013 Accord so far. Recently it has been running and idling roughly and was misfiring during acceleration. Out of curiosity, what made you switch to synthetic? No way! What a fix from Honda. Two late model Accords and Pilots in our clan have had this same disaster this year. I own 1998 honda accord and a 2001 honda crv. Since I purchased it new, I always thought that the engine on my 4 cyl 2009 Accord made more noise than should be normal but the dealer said it was OK. A few months ago after taking a road trip, I took it to the dealer after hearing excessive engine noise, the dealer discovered that there was no oil on the dipstick. They have lost my business forever. Worst car I have ever owned. Either Sta-Bil 360 or Startron - I favor the Startron after using Sta-Bil for years. Bad spark plug #3 causing white smoke during acceleration from tail pipe. Car continued to sputter but they claimed nothing was wrong with it. Since the piston rings are inside of your engine, this means an auto mechanic will need to remove the engine from your vehicle and disassemble it so they can access the worn-out piston rings. Now I am being told that the only other option is to have the internal seals replaced and rebuild the engine. My 2009 is in the shop as I type this getting a new short block, but will this solve my problem or do I need to push for a completely new engine? A 1990 accord lx, brown, one owner, 60k miles, garage kept for $3750. I have a 2010 honda accord 6 cyc. Im changing my mind about Honda if they dont step up and do something about this. I have a 2009 V6 Honda Accord burns 1 quart of oil every 900 1000 miles. Love my car but not the problem.. WOW! I just purchased it 4 months ago I already wanna get rid of it but Im stuck paying on it for 4.5 more years what a mistake I made Ive owned 6 Hondas and never had an issue till this one. Is oil consumption related to this problem? The dealerships are running me in loops! Whatever that means. We will call Honda to see what they say.Reading the comments above, Im not very optimistic. Ill have a mechanic look at his piston rings and get the necessary auto parts replacements for it. This is despicable. Has the class action been completely settled? Well, they would not budge on warranty. of oil every week. after doing numerous oil consumption tests and trips to the dealer, to my surprise Honda Canada agreed to rebuilt the engine ( rings and pistons only). Numerous check engine light and misfires within 8 months and dealership finally did the valve and ring job. How Much Does It Cost To Replace An Alternator. Supposedly the v-tec o-ring was damaged while replacing the pistons. At 88K miles, I noticed the metal grinding noise upon startup. Free shipping for many products! I am always running richsomewhere in the -16 to -18 range for LTFT. It only has 17000 miles on it! Consumes probably just over 1qt per 2K miles which sadly doenst fail Hondas test. If anyone would care to let me know it would be really really appreciated, my email is lenola22@yahoo.com if it isnt listed above, thank you so much. You need to get an oil change , then its monitored every 1,000 miles. Dont get me wrong, I love my car and we are big Honda fans. I too will never buy another Honda. I have had 12 new Honda cars since 1984. 0 Passenger's Airbag Cutoff Indicator Replacement Got a letter from Honda HQ in December that they are extended the warranty to 8 yrs 128,000 miles for STICKY PISTON RINGS causing excessive oil consumption. I m from toronto. Kept car 3 1/2 weeks not given loaner car. When my A/C acted up, I fixed/replaced it. You still had a chunk of metal bouncing around inside your cylinders! We had extended and complained about the oil burning the first year the car was purchased so it was all documented by Honda, they originally were going to replace the pistons and rings and whatever else once they started the work there was to much damage then they dropped in a new motor, that was back in March the car runs like new checked oil its still clean and hasnt burned any oil! Basically was told I was crazy! I now have 109,000 on it and recently had to add two quarts of oil, which is unheard of in 2008 cars. Oil light came on and it started making a noise so I pulled over and had it towed back to the dealership. If I am, what else can I do? I have a 2016 1.2 TSI Polo (hatchback) with 150 000kms. Honda accord 2.2l 1993, engine piston ring set by enginetech. Both times, the car used Oil at a rate of 2.5 qts / 3k miles. Pistons must form a tight seal against the cylinder walls in order to achieve complete and efficient combustion. Most piston rings need to be replaced at around 100,000 miles. No low oil light but engine was almost 3 qts low at 60% on the dash. Terrible frustrating . I'd suggest just taking this on as a rebuild project: take out the motor, take it all (everything) apart, and rebuild it from the bottom up. To my surprise they insisted that THEY must do an oil change. I said heck no Im not paying $1000 just to see if Honda will cover this KNOWN ISSUE! not bind. What do I need to do? The Oil consumption problems began within 40k miles (well within the warranty) and an Oil consumption test was completed by the dealer two times. I think I have a lemon and will report to State DMV. 0000001576 00000 n We are unable to see any oil leaks on the pavement, have had the garage go through a series of oil changes with Honda additives every 1,000 miles for 3 consecutive times and nothing has changed. This a reply to a post that is more than one year old. When I realized that my car kept using oil, I stopped going to the Honda Dealership because I thought they were shorting me on oil all the time and I told them that. Have a 2008 Accord experiencing same problem. Any assistance would be appreciated. The total cost to rebuild an engine and replace the piston rings will be anywhere from $3,000 to $6,000. Same thing. Last Honda I will ever buy . Heyo i know this thread is Old but i have some of these issues on My bmw e90 328i from 2010, i have had a compression test and it showed 1 of the cylinders had half the compression as the others, but the power delivery is stil solid, but mabye a bit shower when i tried comparing My acceleration to the same model on YouTube videoes, but anyway, when i turn on the car it bounces the revs alot up and Down for like 2-3 second and then idles, and then i smell burned oil for the first 5 mins in idle and then it stops, and when its warm and ive come to an idle then some times it Smells and some times not, but the weird thing is i dont lose oil, when it first started occuring i lost oil everytime i drove it very hard for a Long period, but just cruising i could go months without loosing oil, so do guys Think its just the piston ring Thats the problem from all that or is there more to it? If the consumption rate is more than 1 quart per. My account at OReillys gets jaw dropping reactions from any employee that looks up a part for me. And battery drainage leaving me trip jump start after leaving anything on for over a minute. This car is the worst car I have ever owned and would NEVER buy Honda again, just because of this one. for further details. I dont think theyd go bad after just 14,000 km unless all the misfiring has damaged or compromised them? My car will reflect 50% to 90% oil life and then I my car will be out of oil. If your compression test is less than stellar, a leak down test will tell you exactly where you are losing compression. Applies To: 2008-12 Accord V6 A/T - Check the iN VIN status for eligibility . When the run the test, they overfill + 3 extra quarts to make it appear to burn less oil. I will not get a Honda again. I have not had any issues arise on the vehicle as of yet, but am concerned the vehicle is buring excessive amounts of oil. I just recently had a severe misfire that I couldnt figure out since my scanner read codes for maf and iat sensor. Honda dealer refuses to acknowledge problem, wanting to start the dreaded oil consumption testing. Love my accordbut, good-bye Honda. I guess not! The dealership won't do anything unless your car is burning oil and only after you pay them for an oil consumption test.basically you get your oil changed at the dealership and then go back every 1000 miles so they can monitor it.the final decision isn't up to you teezythakidd Just here for the food Joined Sep 17, 2014 1,876 Posts Have a 2010 honda civic ex l with 77,000 kms and dealing with the same thing. We tried to start it, 2 days after moving it from the garage to the driveway, and it just makes a continuous winding noise. They suggested I use a the next oil up. Today, the car will barely run. The one difference is that my dealership has admitted that they are seeing a lot of problems with the engines (but the I went a little crazy on them when they suggested I check the oil every 1,000 miles on a 2010 Honda). i think its time to tradefor a TOYOTA. I own a Honda Accord 2008. meaning in total you should go for 3000. and if in each 1000 shows you did burn one quart then you are eligible for a repair ( if you are with inside the warranty or extended warranty which says either no more than 8 years passed from the life of the car or has not been driven over 122000 miles (if i am correct), in that case you are covered and Honda will pay for the repair. Also, the spark plug breaking is a different issue than the one everyone else is having. After reading all these stories im shocked and convinced that this is a huge problem for honda. FIXD tells you what's wrong with your car and how much it should cost to fix, saving you time and money. Needless to say, I put the rear breaks in and now Im using 1/2 qt of oil every 500 miles. Out of warranty and still a year left to pay on th car, I am begging for them to at least loan me a car while the attempt to find out why my car is burning 3 quarts of oil in 800 miles. At &10,000 miles, I noticed black around the exhausts so I started checking oil at gas fill-ups. Note that not all mechanics are able to perform this repair, either. How can I get in this Class Action Settlement???? MY 2008 HONDA ACCORD BROKE DOWN FOR THE SECOND TIME ON THE FREEWAY. I have been a three different trips, each of which were about. They also said all my oil was drained out which is a complete lie because I took pictures of all fluids. When I checked the dip stick nothing registered on it. We will start by examining the symptoms of a bad piston ring. Contact the legal firm that supervises this class action suit (you can find their name and number in the settlement papers.). Im glad someone is doing something about because this is ridiculous. Car Max here I come where I bought it, guess they dont care either !! Shame on Honda for poorly handling this issue. Now doing the oil consumption test!! I drove 30 miles south to a Honda Dealer in Newport OR. It waste a lot of time. Last spoke to Zenia at American Honda. I bought a 2008 Accord coupe after I graduated from college as my first nice car since I was so sure they were the most reliable cars on the market. Mine did not last enough. Isnt the computer supposed to tell me that? Contact Honda Corporate. $3,900.00 I was told 20 hours of labor and 900-1200 for parts. I have had my oil light come on and engine rattle within 4000 miles of last oil change. Are Nissans and Infinities known for bad pistons or is it just old age? I never heard about any on this. I should have never been charged for anything but the oil change. I dont know a mechanic and wish I would have brought one with me to inspect this vehicle, but it was being sold at a reputable dealership-Ford. Other causes of piston ring damage include foreign objects getting into the engine (rocks, dirt, etc.). I googled it and low and behold I found a slew of bad news regarding this issue. We currently have 100,714 miles on it. The price range for replacing a piston ring is based on national averages for all vehicle types. Both cars are failing emissions due to O2 Sensor & Catalytic converter codes. The head gasket was replaced twice on the new engine. Burning oil Honda did an oil consumption test and stated the amount burned is normal. Do you think I am correct or am I just being paranoid? I did a little personal research to find out how to use it and what to look for but I really dont know much. To make a long story short my 2009 did not last. Make sure youre not using synthetic oil since it can get through seals where a conventional oil wouldnt. With a one income family, if something breaks I have to fix it I cannot afford to pay someone else. They said it was my fault for not changing the oil (impossible because I changed the oil more than often enough) Please let me know how to get onboard with this lawsuit! I immediately pulled over and read the manual which indicated it could be related to not tightening the gas cap. UPDATE: A federal judge granted final approval to the Honda engine misfire class action settlement at a March 21, 2014, Final Fairness Hearing. I hope they come to some sort of settlement where we can get our cars fix on their dimes. Added a quart of oil 6 months after I purchased it. was running low. anyone figure out how to get included on the lawsuit? I took it back to the place they said it was no oil in my car so they put oil again and it still does it . And, I hear that it is the American Honda people with an attitude not the Japanese home office. Getting a code that refers to chamber 1 or quadrant 1 misfiring . I bought my 08 accord new and havent experienced any problems up until this past year. Oil probably wont give you white smoke like that, itll have more of a bluish tinge. Have gotten the honda TSB 11-033 and same problem exists!!! I have vehicle parked at my home still with 57000 miles on a 60000 mile power train warranty. i put 2500 miles on it and when i checked it its down 2 qrt again. I initially thought the dealership forgot to put oil in it when the oil light came on, so I added oil. The oil light starts to register at about every 2000 miles. You should already be using Mobil1 0W-20 'Hi-Mileage' oil - if not, drive it a week or so, then change. I have been complaining to Honda of oil problems for the last year and half. Honda knew the problems but pretended not knowing. Also they are charging me for the replacement of new valve cover gaskets because of of all the oil that is leaking out the back of my engine.. So for all those who have this issue they can go to the dealer and probably they will change piston and piston rings and re build the engine.Now the thing that how long this fix will be last for.
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