Running the cases through a 17 Ackley Hornet full-length resizing die with its decap pin removed resized case necks and bumped the shoulder back just enough to allow entry into the chamber of the rifle but left the primer in place. Reloder 7 did its best with a maximum load of 16.5 grains; .53 inch at 4,039. Ben Voss FN Product Manager talks about the new FN SCAR 15P ultra-compact rifle-caliber pistol at SHOT Show 2023. I can consistently keep them under an inch with this load. If you look at a burn rate chart and published reloading data, you will see other powders that are closeReloder 15, IMR4064, Varget, VV N-140, and H4895 are commonly referenced. Factory .223 Remington loads often provide good accuracy, but the cartridge is a great choice for handloaders who want to duplicate or even exceed factory ammunition ballistics. maximum overall cartridge length of 1.720 inches to ensure its compatibility with the magazines of rifles originally designed for the .22 Hornet. This little gem was introduced originally by Remington in 1971, though similar wildcats had undoubtedly existed for many years prior. Both of those loads will push a 65gr V-Max about 4,100 fps. Absence of copper fouling in the Shilen barrel of the SSK Industries Contender and the barrels of the Cooper Model 21 and the Sako L46 indicated extremely smooth bores. MSRP: $11.99 per 50-rnd. Perhaps you know someone who drives a Maserati, or a 1970s International pickup. It simply is the 221 Remington Fireball necked down to 17 caliber, using a 30-degree shoulder. He has been fooling with the 17R since the year it came out. Hodgdon LilGun was the best powder tried for high velocity and good accuracy in the .17 Hornet. Hodgdons Ron Reiber was the first to try CFE BLK in the field. Chamfer and deburr the mouth of the case, run it through the full-length resizing die and the case is ready for fire forming with a reduced powder charge (I use a 20-grain bullet seated over 11.0 grains of H4198). Dimensional differences between the two cases are so slight that load data for the two are interchangeable. Hornady Custom Grade full-length dies were used to size and load the .17s. In Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders, Volume II (1966), Ackley writes about himself: The author may or may not have been the originator of the .17 caliber in this country. While accuracy was better with that ammo than I had anticipated (averaging 1.55 inches at 100 yards), seating bullets in handloads to lightly contact the rifling shrank group size considerably. Here at Guns and Shooting Online we have had the opportunity to review many .17 caliber rimfire rifles and we are continuing to do so. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. Whereas the Redding Model No. The first 10 rounds were outstanding. Hodgdon has data available online. Like those bullets, the Sierra 40- and 45-grain Hornets expand on varmints quite nicely, but since they do not have flat noses, no more than one should be loaded in the tubular magazine of a lever-action rifle. Overall, Hodgdons CFE BLK, Alliants Reloder 10x, Vihtavuoris N133 and Ramshots X-Terminator emerged as clear winners, providing a balanced combination of accuracy and velocity in this fine varminting cartridge. The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. Hornadys 15.5-grain NTX (Non-Traditional eXpanding) bullet is a polymer-tipped, lead-free (California legal) option allowing screaming velocity combined with dramatic terminal performance on small varmints. By that time most of his hearing was gone, and his daughter would answer the phone and relay the conversation back and forth between her father and the caller. I may just have to try a few of those with the 8208 powder as well. The Hornady .17 case, however, is a bit shorter in length and to the base of the shoulder than the Ackley case. I was reminded of him while loading IMR 4198 in the Ackley cartridge in order to compare its performance with CFE BLK. 70 and a sako vixen is: Rem case , cci bencrest pr., 21.2 gr. Scott Rupp gets a chance to talk to Aaron Oelger about a few new products from Hodgdon and why reloading store shelves are empty. To be completely upfront, Im not a Maserati man. The neck of the case will be shorter than on cases formed from .22 Hornet brass, but accuracy is the same and flickertails dont seem to mind. Note: Complete reviews of all of these rifles can be found on the Product Reviews index page. I began my shooting tests by using Barnes CR-10 solvent to ensure no copper fouling lurked in the barrels of the test guns. Last but certainly not least, the ability of CFE BLK to reduce copper fouling in barrels gives it a big edge for high-volume shooting of prairie dogs, ground squirrels, and other varmints. There are a variety of .17-caliber bullets for handloaders to choose from. The .17 RFB provides 300 to 400 feet per second (fps) velocity gains over the popular .17 Hornet. If looking to acquire an automated powder-charge dispensing unit to speed up precision reloading, don't judge the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite powder scale and dispenser by its name; the Little Green machine packs a heavy-weight punch with speed and accuracy. The primers that seem to consistently work the best (and are the ones most sources recommend) are the CCI 450, Remington 7.5, and CCI BR-4. Whereas CFE BLK proved to be an excellent choice for the two 17 Hornets, shot-to-shot velocity spread was quite high when it was asked to burn in the roomier case of the 17 Fireball. Through the years I have handloaded for several lever-action rifles chambered for the 218 Bee, and recoil is so light I never found it necessary to crimp the mouth of the case into the bullet, so lack of a cannelure on the Sierra bullets is not a factor. In its original configuration, it was a fine cartridge, though somewhat limited. Stocky's Owner Don Bitz walks David Faubion through the company's new rifle stocks for 2023. models. According to my measurements, its gravimetric density is 0.980 gram per cubic centimeter, the same as for water. The new-for-2023 lineup includes ultralight hunting stocks and a VGA 2-pound adjustable vertical-grip stock. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Today, they are down to one offeringa 25-grain Varmint Hollowpointand its a very accurate projectile. The shoulder diameter of the Hornady case is also a bit wider in diameter than the Ackley. : 41,500 50,400 CUP It is my fathers favorite rat rifle and I was able to borrow it only because it was during the off-season. The new RIA 5.0 Sporting Pistol from Rock Island Armory features a patented RVS Recoil system that maximizes barrel mass and linear movement to give shooters super soft recoil. At least not inside of 300 yards. Bullet jump was then extended in 0.005-inch increments until the sweet spot was found. Bob Meinert, FN Marketing Director, introduces FN's first commercial pistol suppressor, the FN Rush 9Ti. Based on reloading die sales at RCBS, Ackleys .17 Hornet Improved is still one of the most popular cartridges of its caliber among varmint shooters. Norma 200, 55gr. AVERAGE GROUP SIZE WITH MOST ACCURATE BRAND OF AMMUNITION. My old friend who got me interested in the 17 used primarily 3031 for about 3800fps with the 25gr Rem or Hornady HP. He owned no powder scale and simply filled the case to the brim with IMR 4198, seated a bullet on top, and commenced to terrorize the local crow population. Wt. Several five-shot groups fired at 100 yards measured less than 0.250 inch. Taurus Marketing Manager Caleb Giddings highlights the features of the new Taurus Raging Hunter 460 Magnum, a purpose-built revolver with a 10.5-inch barrel and an effective recoil-taming brake, with Guns & Ammo Executive Editor Joe Kurtenbach. I got to know Ackley while he was doing some rifle work for me during the 1960s and 70s. This bullet, seated to a 1.81-inch OAL, also started turning in better groups. The new powder also flows through good powder measures with minimum charge-to-charge variation in weight. Expecting to receive a half-dozen or so, I was quite surprised after opening the package to see more than 30 different cartridges ranging in size from the .17 Lilliput on a shortened .22 Hornet case to the .17 Swift on the full-length .220 Swift case. H414/W760 behind a 30gr. Just $1 per month , Everything you ever wanted to know about the .17 Remington, By Starting and maximum charges vary slightly in the Hornady manual, but no more than to be expected from different lots of the same powders or slight differences in barrels, cases and bullets. After the cases were trimmed, loaded and fired, they had not grown in length any appreciable amount. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Of the powders CFE BLK, H-4198 and Accurate 2200 used with this bullet, H-4198 proved lackluster accuracy-wise, the best group only .87-inch at 4,226 with 17 grains of powder. OBrien also offered custom XP-100 pistols chambered for his cartridge, and the barrels were marked .17 Mach III to indicate lower velocity in the shorter barrel. With the 65, I recommend 47.5 grains of Varget or 47.5 grains of IMR 4064. H-4198 was also a good powder. He killed 17 wolves and 6-8 caribou with that load plus who knows how many foxes and coyotes. Depending on the size of the cartridge case housing the tiny bullets, performance ranges from mostly suitable for rodents inside 200 yards to deadly on bigger predators out to 400 yards. The .17 Hornets tiny bullets and a small case capacity mean velocities vary considerably with a slight change in powder weight. An additional 0.5 grain of LilGun increased the velocity of 20-grain bullets by 198 fps. The spring-loaded micrometer head allows for precise bullet seating depth. .17 Remington - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #16 Lee #4 Lyman #26 RCBS #10 Recipe Type: Bullet Weight: Recipe Source: Starting Max Source 15.5 gr NTX (HDY) 0.172" Powder: Benchmark (Hodgdon) Primer: REM 7 Case: REM Trim Length: 1.786" C.O.L. A 9.5-grain charge of LilGun shot five 20-grain Bergers in .78 inch at 100 yards. Hodgdon LilGun is the powder for the .17. The factory ammo was and is very accurate ammo, this load may possible be Remington's recipe. Like: H4350, H4831 SC, VV N550 & N160. Most .17 caliber bullets are much lighter than those of .22 caliber, and that makes them greatly dependent on high velocities for quick kills on varmints. The .17 Remington is a fun and interesting round to work with. I should have paid more attention to that OAL, as I seated these bullets .006-inch deeper, resulting in disappointing groups overall. at 3,400 fps and zeroed the same is down three inches at 100 yards. At 300 yards they dropped 5.50 inches. It typically kills even big-bodied coyotes cleanly, yet does minimal damage to the skin. Caleb Giddings, Marketing Manager at Taurus, introduces the all-new TaurusTX 22 Compact. Possibly one of the best varmint load - consistently under 1/4" at 100 yards is 75 grain Sierra (Speer and Remington shoot well too) with 58 grains IMR4350. After shooting 80 Hornady loads one afternoon, I soaked the CZs bore with solvent for a day and then gave it a good scrubbing with a bronze brush. The Nosler 20-grain bullet was happiest at 0.015 inch. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. Rem. Hodgdon Powder is the only current source of handloading data I could find for the new and old .17s. The barrel and action include a protective Parkerized finish. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. A lot of trouble for sure, but it satisfied my curiosity. The first die necks a .22 Hornet case down to .20 caliber. While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. The Remington case is about 0.006 inch larger in diameter at its body/shoulder juncture, and its head-space dimension is about 0.004 inch longer. Lately, I have been experimenting with a 30-grain HPBT from a custom maker in Virginia, Don Unmussig. The original powder charge was then poured back in, and the factory bullet was seated to the original overall cartridge length of 1.712 inches. Test: CCI A17 averaged 2642 fps for five rounds, which is only 8 fps slower than the factory-touted numberpretty remarkable. This is in my opinion an exceptional load as it will not only make small groups but also makes a very good roe deer load and all that at a . Chris Johnson, FN Senior Product Manager, walks us through two new FN striker-fired pistols at SHOT Show 2023: the FN 510 Tactical, chambered in 10mm Auto, and the FN 545 Tactical, chambered in .45 ACP. Here's some great load data to help you achieve the best 5-shot groups. can also be quite accurate. Robust, accurate and without expense-increasing frills, the XT-17 comes with a 22-inch barrel in your choice of stainless or blued, with walnut or synthetic stock. When it comes to choosing a primer, it and the 17 Ackley Hornet can be finicky from rifle to rifle. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. I had expected chamber pressure and velocity of the factory load to be a bit lower in the improved chamber, and they were, but accuracy in my rifle was quite good. I had enough primed cases left over for exactly four-shot strings, and one does not waste primers these days. Muzzle flash in a 10.75-inch barrel is minimal, while touching off a charge of LilGun is remindful of how the 221 Fireball got its name. Beyond that distance, the Swift was the clear winner at bucking wind and dropping whistle pigs in mid-munch. Ackley and others began developing centerfire cartridges smaller than .22 caliber soon after the end of World War II, and they really got busy during the 1950s. And CFE BLK does have several advantages over those two propellants. We have found the accuracy potential of all three cartridges to be excellent and essentially the same. I just spoke to a gent this past week on this subject. The Hornets velocities are about 500 fps slower than the Fireballs. While seen at its best as a metallic silhouette cartridge, it will work on deer at relatively close ranges when loaded with the right bullet. Although overall cartridge length is restricted to about 1.950 inches, there is still more than enough room to seat bullets close to the rifling should doing so be necessary or desired. 23.5 grn. .17 rimfire rifles are normally tested with a good quality telescopic sight set at a magnification of nine power or higher. When it comes down to velocity, the .17 Rem. Great velocity with 25 grainers but poor accuracy. I first became aware of his cartridge when reading a gun magazine article in the 1960s. I also like using IMR8208 with the 25gr. Most current .270 Win. Ackley had his hand in developing decades previously. The 20 grn Vmax had better accuracy and Mr. Nagels 20 grain pill was the most accurate. These are 5-shot groups fired at 100 yard targets. When both are loaded to maximum chamber pressures and fired in barrels of the same length, the Ackley cartridge is about 100 fps faster. A chamber pressure of 40,600 CUP is well below the S.A.A.M.I. That is a significant difference in such a small cartridge case that only holds about 12 grains of powder. As with the above V-Max-equipped offerings, this load is best relegated to targets and non-edible species. and the one you speak of is one of them. When preparing loads for the Marlin rifle, I started with two flatnose bullets: the Hornady 45-grain hollowpoint and the Speer 46-grain softnose. ONeil of OKH fame. This is where I believe some seating-depth experiments are indicated (many mono-copper bullets prove fussy this way), as there was obviously room for improvement here. The plastic tip increases ballistic coefficients for flatter long-range trajectories and initiates dismantling impacts on small varmints. The .17 Remington works with a wider variety of propellants than one may immediately think. The full-page lead photo was filled with two hunters, one tiny rifle and a huge Alaskan brown bear wearing a hide that surely squared 10 feet or better. Camp Guns: Sometimes Perfect, Other Times Not But Often Essential! If i had a bunch of those bullets i would try IMR 4320. A proprietary hollowpoint design makes these bullets explosive on varmints, the lead-free composition making them relatively long for weight. Moving to bigger cartridges, when the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exits the .17 Rem. At those velocities, drift isnt as significant as some would lead you to believe, either. The reason the author made the first .17 caliber was the result of a deal with the late C.H. The .17 Remington was originally introduced with 25 grain bullets, and for this middle weight, most of the powders that work well in a 22-250 or 308 work quite well. Yet the little pills zipped downrange from .17-caliber rifles shoot with lazer-like flatness and produce surprisingly impressive results on small game and predators. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Use of the Remington 6 primer improved accuracy in Reibers gun as well as mine. Those are not huge differences in bullet drop and drift between the two bullet diameters, although the .22s do deliver more energy to the target. A sleeper that works very well is W760 and its stablemate H414. Having a burn speed close to H4198 and IMR 4198 makes CFE BLK suitable for use in a variety of applications, including the .17- and .22-caliber varmint cartridges covered in this report. It shoots projectiles in the 17- to 20-grain range up to about 2,600 feet per second (fps). Precision Redding full-length Type S Match Dies with .195-inch titanium nitride sizing bushing and micro-adjustable seating-die head were used. For years, the powder in the .17 Rem. The .17 RFB is nothing more than the .221 Fireball necked to .17 caliber, with case walls straightened and a 30-degree shoulder added. This one was a real surprise, as it is the bullet my father wrings his best groups from out of this very rifle (19.5 grains Hodgdon H-335, 7 Remington BR primer, 1.77-inch overall loaded length (OAL), around 3,850 fps). CFE BLKs top velocity was 4,532 fps with this bullet using 18 grains of powder, but with poor accuracy. For years, Remington was the only one that loaded the .17 Rem., but now factory ammunition can be had from Nosler and Hornady, as well. . Moving up in powder capacity, the .17 Mach IV was introduced during the 1960s by Las Vegas gunsmith Vern OBrien, whose custom rifles were on the dainty Sako L46 action. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. : 4,638 4,917 Press. He was a college professor, a gifted machinist, a writer, a barrel maker, a bullet maker, a builder of rifles and an avid experimenter. Hodgdons load data shows 11.0 grains of H-4198 gave the 20-grain V-MAX a velocity of 3,226 fps. Fast follow-up shots are easy, virtue of low recoil, and savvy shooters can spot their own impacts through their scope. As mentioned, the .17 was first brought to market with a 25-grain Power Lokt Hollow Point. But like most rifles in 22 Hornet, the barrels of those in 218 Bee have a rifling twist of 1:16 inches, which is not quick enough to stabilize many of the bullets listed for this cartridge in various reloading manuals. In the course of our rifle reviews we ordinarily test for accuracy using as many different loads as possible and tabulate the results. You can use the Horn 25 HP My Rem LVSF likes the 25 VMAX with H4895 I have had as much as 3-6 grains variance in Rem brass. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. My best load with the 20gn V-Max was 10gn of Lil Gun for a sizzling 3699fps, but 10gn of AR2205 gave a handy 3535fps and WIN-296 did 3550fps. This American-made, double-base spherical powder is a slower derivative of A-2230. You won't be disappointed if you can find all the components. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Published Jul 22, 2022 2:40 PM EDT. Ackleys little cartridge, but loading CFE BLK is faster because it flows through a good powder measure with much greater uniformity in charge weight. Open sights are standard, and the receiver is grooved for common rimfire scope rings. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. I'm watching this thread because I just got my 17 rem upper. Medium-fast powders including Hodgdons Benchmark, H-4198, H-322 and CFE BLK, IMR-8280 XBR, Western Powders Ramshot X-Terminator and TAC, Accurates LT-30 and A-2200, Alliants Reloder 10x and 7, Shooters World Blackout and Vihtavuori N133 were chosen for a combination of clean-burning characteristics and maximum velocities. My most accurate loading/Rifle is a rare Remington 700 VSS with the factory 26" heavy stainless barrel. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. When developing its version of the .17 Hornet, Hornady shortened the .22 Hornet case about 0.050 inch to make overall cartridge length compatible with the magazines of existing rifles in .22 Hornet. It would quickly become the benchrest shooting champion until the PPC cartridges appeared in 1974. Cases from unfired Hornady factory loads had a length of 1.338 inches, which I used as a trim length. If Hodgdons recommended maximum of 12.8 grains is used, switching to the Remington 7 or Federal 205M primer is advised. There is an obvious allure in velocities of more than 4,200-4,300 fps, but I suspect a steady varmint-shooting diet of Hornadys 15.5 grain NTX would result in premature barrel wear. Im betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. (See the article Compared: .17 HMR Varmint Ammunition for more details about .17 HMR ammo.). I have owned several rifles in 218 Bee through the years, the first being a Winchester Model 43. vs 9.3x62 Cartridge Clash, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, How Rifle-Shot Recoil Affects Scopes, Rings and Bases, Ruger No. Price: $280 to $350-ish I'm getting 3700fps (3/8" groups @ 100-yds) with the 700 Classic and 3670fps (1/4" groups @ 100-yds) with the 700 BDL. Hammer Bullets 18 grain Dead Blow is another excellent nontoxic (California compliant) option milled from a single piece of copper. Other rifles might disagree. CZ calls the 527 a micro-Mauser due to its nonrotating claw extractor that grabs the rim of a case as its pushed forward out of the magazine and blade ejector. BP-B2. The new 9mm suppressor can mount easily to any pistol barrel threaded x28 inches and doesn't compromise on sound suppression, gas blowback or recoil. During fire-forming the case will headspace on its rim and the shoulder will be moved forward to the Ackley position. After firing the factory loads, case lengths had stretched to 1.343 inches. I can say that IMR 8208 XBR is fast becoming my favorite powder. Even the report of most .17-caliber guns is mild, particularly that of rimfire versions. If the rifles are compared based on the average group size achieved with their favored brand of ammo the results are as follows. Magazines are detachable, in both four-shot and seven-shot versions. Reloder 10x performed exceptionally, assembling .40- and .55-inch groups at 3,950 and 4,051 fps providing an excellent combination of accuracy and velocity. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. Up front, I expected more from this rifle. But the difference was not great. That partial, full-length sizing helps reduce the stretch of firing and the squeeze of sizing to extend case life. My speed obsession may also have worked against me, as the lightest loads in many cases resulted in the best groups (though these were still well above actual start loads). The new big bore pistols feature industry-first capacity, with a standard 15-round capacity and 22+1 rounds of 10mm or 18+1 rounds of .45 ACP from the extended magazines. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. The fouling was a bit heavier in the Marlin 1894, but it was easily removed. This was before coyotes invaded the East and decimated the groundhog population, so we accounted for our share of them. The .17 HMR loads we use include ammunition from CCI with 17 grain TNT bullet, CCI A17 with 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain TNT bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Hornady with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Remington Premier with 17 grain AccuTip-V bullet and Winchester Supreme with 17 grain V-MAX bullet. MV with a 20 grain bullet is 3000 fps and MV with a 25 grain bullet is 2600 fps. bullet. Several five-shot groups fired at 100 yards measured less than 0.250 inch. Formed by necking down Remington's .221 Fireball case and increasing shoulder angle to 30 degrees, O'Brien claimed a velocity of 3,700 fps for a 25-grain bullet. The most accurate loads have been with the Hornady 20gn and 25gn V-Max bullet which turned in 3-shot groups averaging .50-MoA. was IMR4320. When dropped from a powder measure, an 18.0-grain charge fills a Winchester case almost to the brim, so when applied to those two bullet weights only, the word maximum indicates that 18.0 grains is the maximum amount of CFE BLK the case will hold. Simply run a case through the Ackley full-length resizer and it is ready to load. Its not a spectacular cartridge, though, because a hanging steel plate at 300 yards didnt even move when shot with the tiny V-MAX bullets, but the approximately 200 foot-pounds (ft-lbs) of energy the little bullets still carry at 300 yards is enough to kill a ground squirrel. While the 17 Fireball is about 300 fps slower with all bullet weights than the 17 Remington, it is probably more popular today because it burns about 20 percent less powder with each squeeze of the trigger. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. This is especially important when loading ammunition on a progressive press. I had also scrubbed the barrel the night before. 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