To: The Lonely Guy Out There Reading Down This Thread Getting All Worked Up About Glue.
Is TB3 the best glue for bee hives. The minimum shelf life of Titebond III is stated as one year, when stored appropriately at room temperature. Ideal for finish trim, crown molding, baseboards, window casings and other applications requiring a professionalstrength, no-run wood glue. Given this, please assume that any links leading you to products or services are affiliate links that we will receive compensation from. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Wood Whisperer is proudly sponsored by brands that Marc trusts. I find its cheaper and easier to just stick with titebond II and avoid storing my completed projects submerged in water. Great thread, me Ive got a question applying 5 mil copper sheet to wood, outdoor project, its a moongate so the object will you not be touched by anything other than the elements.
Iron will not, however, adversely affect the strength of the glue. On the FWW webiste, they report at 150 degrees: Will fix it now. These are very important factors as this can affect how long your glue takes to dry. I have a bottle of Titebond III that Im going to use to fix an old violin that is falling apart at the ribs, splitting on part of the back, and around the button where the tailpiece hooks. I think that they last a little longer that way.
:-). How to remove Titebond depends on what state the glue is in, and which version of the glue is used. I had that experience the first time I used Gorilla glue. All Rights Reserved. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Hopefully there are some happy ending stories out there to cool my nerves :).
If thickened, shake vigorously by firmly tapping bottle on a hard surface until product is restored to original form.. It seems to have faded away. They rely on absorption into a fibrous material to work properly. But as a rule of thumb you should avoid gluing sealed wood if you can.
I plan on using both hardwoods and softer woods in the different paddle layouts, but am now wondering what I should use as a fully waterproof adhesive?
Now the walnut lumber in question was bought at an estate auction. Anyone have any experience on whether this glue will work for such a project? You can often bring them back to life by heating them in a microwave for a minute or so on the defrost setting.
I typically use it when repairing vintage furniture or if there wont be a lot of stress on the joint/join. thanks, this can be significant, where the article appears to say all other factors between 2 and 3 are too small to concern our selves.
Lastly, the biggest issue I have with the PVAs is repair. Below is a video I made that shows the difference in color when dried between Titebond 1, 2, and 3. Both have similar physical attributes of the major industry players, but at half the price. Titebond 2 is better the 3 for waterproofing, Without backing evidence, we are forced to discard this comment entirely. Titebond II Premium is similar to the original formula, but with the added benefit of being water-resistant.
I know people will laugh but i want to glue doors back together. It works well for some applications, and sometimes is better than Titebond and other PVA glues on wood as explained below. If they are just light weight cabinet doors, and the break is clean, use any wood glue, titebond 1, or Elmers wood glue, apply liberally to broken surfaces, and hold them together being sure the pieces are straight. Thanks for the kind response and all the definitive information, it is very much appreciated! and I enjoyed your humor in reference to the hot water delamination issue with epoxy! Id also use the epoxy on the hairline gaps. A side benefit of TB III is that it dries darker than the other two. According to the manufacturer, where wood contains more than 10% moisture, the dry time may be impacted. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". I used eastern white spruce, which I got from the local big box home supply store.
You can coat the whole project with a good quality outdoor varnish, but thats not really going to strengthen you joints. How to make slime without glue or activator, Titebond 5004 II Premium Wood Glue, 16-Ounces - 2 Pack, Titebond Franklin International 5005 II Premium Wood Glue, 1 Gal, Franklin International 5064 Titebond Original Wood Glue, 16-Ounce, 2 Pack, Titebond III Ultimate Wood Glue, 16-Ounces #1414, 3 Pack, Titebond Wood Glue Differences: (What version should you use? Click here to view Titebond II Premium on Amazon. Everyone has this question at one point or another. I recently bought Titebond 3 under the assumption (but mostly by recommendation) that it was a great WATERPROOF glue as claimed, but then later found that its Not for continuous submersion or for use below the waterline. Personally, I dont see how something can be considered or marketed as waterproof if it doesnt fully fit that description, so I was misleadand so were my friends who highly recommended it. Glad I STUCK around to read this about glue. Strong tack, superior strength, excellent standabillity, FDA approved for food, ideal for radio frequency (R-F) systems. Titebond II sets quickly and is food safe. Thanks again for all your helpful advice, and for being willing to take the time to help me out! Its versatile formula is ideal for general woodworking applications, as well as many other porous and semi-porous materials. Be sure to review the specifications and application directions before use to zero in on the best wood glue for your project. Designed and developed by Underscorefunk Design. Would you go with an epoxy for this project? Thanks!
Do NOT use Titebod III for paddles. Talk about a DARK glue line, the dark Titebond II is it. So in addition to Titebond III I always keep a supply of CA on hand.
I was asking how to extend Titebond IIIs set time. Lets take a look at what makes Titebond such a trusted brand, and how to choose between the products available. Timber Grain is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'woodworkhubby_com-banner-2','ezslot_1',113,'0','0'])};if(typeof __ez_fad_cmd!='undefined'){__ez_fad_cmd.push('div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-banner-2-0');}else{__ez_fad_cmd=['div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-banner-2-0'];};report this ad. Something like epoxy would work nicely.
It's been a long time since plywood was considered "flat." Click here to view Titebond Original on Amazon. I've glued up panels in the summer for 10 minutes and then sent them through the planer and then the panel bevel on a shaper.
I had googled looking for a clear description of the difference and as I was wondering if I was hindering myself by being a penny pincher and using original versus Type III that I saw recommend in some other places. The particles are not joined together and are left in the joint. If you occasionally make outdoor projects and cutting boards, stock up on Titebond II instead.
Epoxy is the adhesive of choice for boat builders, where you may have an object actually submerged in water. The first thing to mention is that all the glues except the Polyurethane are water clean-up. also, whats the best way to get the glue into some of the hairline splits?
It is great for particleboard, MDF, plywood, and other porous materials.
Titebond II will easily come off your fingers by rubbing them together, whereas original titebond will coat you fingers and even if you try to rub it off. must be removed to ensure good adhesion. Epoxy dries relatively clear, though you cant clamp the joint tight enough to close the glue lines or you starve the joint. It breaks or de-polymerizes the surface molecules, which creates little fingers of broken carbon molecules, so the epoxy has something to key into. TiteBond products, depend on what youre going to use it on, basically the eventual environment itll live in. Titebond Wood Glues all have a shelf life of Two Years. If you get any Titebond II or III glue in your clothes, make sure to clean it immediately with warm water as once its dry it will not come out. Not sure how many years it had been air drying, but 400+ board feet of Black Walnut for $400 you dont pass up even if it has an occasional bullet in it. Each version of Titebond Wood Glue has a slightly different color once its dry. What Materials do Titebond Wood Glues work on? For hardwoods (oak, birch): 200-300 psi. Titebond II 1750 psi These results are obviously affected by the conditions inside your workshop. Apparently CA adhesives (cyanoacrylate) are best for wood to copper. Im noticing the seams are oozing a glue that looks like white Elmers glue. 
Polyurethane is an option, though I dont like it much, it is waterproof, but it tends to foam up and needs good clamping pressures. My post was just to highlight the less than desirable aspects of the combination, especially in structural applications. Here i am, completely out of my league and have no experience with glue or wood but i am determined to fix a piece of furniture i saved from side of road.it is a very clean no stain wood cabinet. I will also briefly touch on which Titebond wood glues do dry clear.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'woodworkhubby_com-medrectangle-4','ezslot_2',129,'0','0'])};if(typeof __ez_fad_cmd!='undefined'){__ez_fad_cmd.push('div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-medrectangle-4-0');}else{__ez_fad_cmd=['div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-medrectangle-4-0'];}; This is an important factor to consider before doing your next glue up. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. However, your post brought this question to mind again, so I looked it up. Also used to create a crackling effect on wood and other surfaces. Well needless to say, we had another strong microbust in West Denver that it made the news. 
I am thinking of coating the entire surface of a board with the glue for the water resistance. I need some help. In a basement shop, I usually stock Titebond I. 
using tight bond |||. This time, after using a small amount, I followed the directions on the bottle and squeezed the air out of it before I capped it. 2) excessive penetration can starve the joint of glue making glue failure more likely. Joints and edges of glued pieces not being lined up when clamped can be a big problem because most wood glues are not reversible; meaning once they cured the joints cannot be moved. I have always had great results. When this happens, stirring will bring the glue back to a normal thickness.
Ive seen it before and had to repair the damage. I had a lot of issues with titebond as the working time is way too short for a newby like me. I cant imagine there being a big difference that would effect cracking and splitting. Maybe look for any others changes from when you successfully used TB II. According to the American Wood Council, safe allowable shear strength for the best species of domestic woods is no more than 220 psi for structural design purposes. So is there any difference in shelf life between them? I have done copper to PT for exterior doors.
Some of these paddles will be used for running bigger whitewater, so they need to be strong and durable.
I am the guy behind Woodwork Hubby! I almost always let the yellow glue set up for a minimum of 3 hoursjust to be safe. But sealing isnt an all or non proposition. Not unique to Titebond, but a great feature nonetheless. If you work with epoxy regularly, as I do, these are huge considerations, besides the price. Before you buy the West System check out the different hardeners on line.
Titebond III has a slightly longer working time, so if you need a little longer to position your surfaces together after gluing, go for this version. Measure Twice Cut Once -- It's a lot easier to cut more off then it is to cut. The disadvantage to a CA glue is it does not have the sheer strength of PVA glue, and you usually have less than a minute till it sets.
Your email address will not be published. Maybe even more important than shelf life is working temperature.
This is a very old thread, but raised a question in my mind that I hoped you might still see and be willing to address. For unusual glue ups where you dont want to use a brad or other mechanical fastener use a drop of CA glue inside your regular glue joint to hold things in place while your Titebond or other glue sets. Titebond White Glue is easy to use, non-toxic and cleans up with water. Any product claim, statistic, quote or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider or party in question. But it would be nice to have actual numbers to know exactly how much strength is being sacrificed and if its enough to worry about. It took me about 15 minutes from start to completion. I and II look the same, while III is a semi-ugly dark brown.
You just need a good quality marine grade. But I read a bunch of alarming skin exposure warnings on the titebond site. I stumbled across this page while searching for good published examples of Titebond IIs long term durability when used in exterior applications and couldnt resist chiming in Im a Technical Specialist with Franklin International. Clamping time of 30 minutes is the minimum you should leave the clamps on. This makes it uniquely well suited to applications where steam or boiling water may be encountered, the best example being cutting boards. So I bought PVC pickets, treated posts and rails. Care should be taken to ensure a tight fit between wood pieces with no saw marks and no burnishing of the surfaces to be glued.
The problem with a previously-glued joint is theres probably still glue on the surfaces. I will explain in more detail these differences in the below table so you can better understand which glue to use on your next project.Titebond OriginalTitebond IITitebond IIIWater ResistanceNoneResitantWater Proof*Strength3,600 psi3,750 psi4,000 psiOpen Time4-6 minutes3-5 minutes8-10 minutesAssembly Time5 minutes5 minutes10 minutesViscosity3,200 cps4,000 cps4,200 cpsDried ColorOff YellowDark YellowBrownExterior UseNoYesYesPrice (16 ounce)$10.68$12.00$14.90Food safeNoYesYesFreeze Thaw StableYesYesYes* Mostly more water resistant above Titebond II. If you do, oversize your joints, or better yet pick another type of adhesive. The traditional method would be canvas duck, set in a bed of lead paint, which is over coated with more paint. Just bring the pieces together enough so they contact each other. 
Anyone else having experiences similar to Gabe? You might be able to reduce it to almost nothing though if you actually wash the surface prior to the glue skinning over with a clean wet cotton cloth. Of course it rained the next day. That is because PVA makes incredibly strong joints on unfinished raw wood, but in the process clogs the wood pores. Ill assume you mean you now have glue lines, with an objectionable color John? You can buy epoxy in a cartridge system, where you just squeeze the trigger and mixed goo comes out the end. All the glues I tried did what I wanted, and thats the most important thing. Titebond works on Cedar, Teak, Redwood, and any other oily wood, however, you may need to take some extra steps in the preparation to ensure a good bond. So for those complex glue-ups, Titebond III would be a good choice. Darn that comment was not for this reply lol. There are degrees to which something can be sealed. Titebond Melamine Glue is designed for bonding wood, particleboard, MDF and other porous substrates to synthetic materials such as melamine, vinyl and HPL as well as metals.
If youve used any other PVA wood glue, youll already know how to use Titebond. Use glues like epoxy and polyurethane glue that dont depend on absorption into the fibers in order to work. Not entirely sure as to why though. I would like to comment on the statement above about using Gorilla Glue for loose chair joints. (this was made more difficult by people transferring glue to intermediate bottles, such as those with fancy tips or pressure spouts, or whatever.) I could tell that the joints where I applied the glue first were already pretty dry, pretty sticky, and the squeeze out was pretty minimal. In fact, most modern plywood is made with a curved veneer that gives it more strength and stability. Iron may contaminate the glue and darken the glue line. A little bummed to lose all that strength (and just have it screwed together), since it needs to last a long time outdoors.
I backed into some glue squeeze out and ruined my brand new Virginia Tech Cow Tipping Team T-shirt. Your email address will not be published. It does not store any personal data. Limitations: Titebond II passes Type II water-resistance tests. And speaking of Titebond glues, you can pick up all of your glue supplies and accessories in our Amazon Store. I just recently built my first 2 dining room chairs and the backs are curved ladder backs. Both surfaces should have an equal amount of glue, spread thinly and uniformly across the entire surface. Make sure the surface is clean and dry and free from any dust or oil. Is there nothing that can be added to II or III that can help? Titebond starts to bond almost instantly, making it easier and faster to finish your project.
How? I currently have one bottle of each and wonder ever time I glue something which is better.. Im a TB III user. The table below shows a comparison of each of the Titebond Glues. So our stuff is probably more stable than most places. Is there any real significant difference between Titebond Original, II, and III wood glues? Dont confuse this with a true waterproof waterproof adhesive, as it will soften with immersion or wood saturation. I appreciate the more practical and common sense approach of yours. Elmers White School Glue Review and Guide, The Original Super Glue Review and Guide, Elmers Carpenters Wood Glue Review and Guide, Tear Mender Instant Fabric and Leather Adhesive review. My idea is to use a more waterproof fabric application, also using a waterproof fabric, eliminating many of the issues associated with this covering technique. This will work on exterior applications, even those in highly moist locations. However, Ive never heard of birdsmouth construction techniques, so I will definitely do a Google search and look into itthanks for letting me know about it because like you said, Im sure weight will be an issue with the paddles.
I will be using 2 x 6 x 8 lumber, and the bench will be 3 x 96. And just to show my complete ignorance, I thought Titebond original was also referred to as the carpenter yellow glue or yellow glue. I STICK with TBII since it can be used indoors or out. Titebond 1, 2 & 3 wood glue does not dry clear.
The problem with it is that even though it fills gaps there is no strength to the part that is filled. While some glues (especially Polyeurathane Glues) expand or foam when curing, this is not the case with Titebond Wood Glue products. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". The idea is to replace more traditional fabric coverings on decks, with a more waterproof, yet reasonably flexible sheathing. The water resistance of TBII lasts long enough for the few outdoor projects I completed to hold off glue joint failure. Sorry I dont have anything really wise to add other than the fact that I just default to TB3. Titebond 1250 psi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate, http://www.rockler.com/titebon..?sid=AFN86, http://www.dap.com/product_det..duct_id=43, http://www.jamestowndistributo..;page=GRID. Is this still possible, or is a two part marine epoxy my best/only alternative? Why is selecting the correct wood glue important?
This can be overcome by allowing the glue to soak into both surfaces for ~10 minutes before making the joint. Titebond Orignal is best for indoor use while Titebond II and III have varying amounts of water resistance. For outdoor projects, there are two choices, water resistant or waterproof. Resorcinol isnt very easy to work with, being mix and temperature sensitive, during the mix and cure. Professional-strength, waterproof glue specifically designed for multi-purpose applications. I usually wait a few minutes for it to form barely solid beads before cutting it off.
Not cleaning the surfaces of the pieces to be glued. When I tried gluing the first Dado piece into the cedar I could hardly get it in. Im guessing you will definitely see the smeared glue on the surfaces. Warm up your working area before gluing. I will be making some segmented pen blanks and part of the segmentation will be a layer of aluminum between the wood pieces. Liquid hide glue, however, is considered to be inferior to traditional hot hide glue in strenght, but is a lot easier to use, with its long working time. I am building a walnut wet Bar . In practice, this means that they are safe to use for things like knife holders, cutting boards, wooden bowls, kitchen cabinets, bread boxes etc. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Both are aliphatic resin emulsions. If you get some on your clothes, make sure to clean it immediately with warm soapy water, as once it has cured there will be no way to remove it from your clothes without damaging your clothing. Hot Tips To Get Flat Plywood. Thanks for any direction, I recently had a large glue-up where I exceeded the open time of Titebond III (10 minutes). What is the best glue for rubber to metal? I'm in the middle of a big glue up right now I've been leaving it in the clamps for 24 hr.
As a boat builder, I cant recommend it for under the waterline use, but elsewhere, its fine, so long as the joint isnt highly loaded and is well fitted, during assembly. If excess glue is applied it will squeeze out of joints when clamped and then easily cleaned up when wet. Epoxies sometimes stiffen with age in their containers. In these cases, youd be safe and Im not sure what youre using this combination on, but my applications tend to be dynamic and often highly loaded, so I have to shy away from this bond scenario. The stuff is very pricey and I had never used it before. Titebond II and Titebond III:Titebond Premium and Ultimate glues can be washed up no problem while they are still wet, with a damp rag or sponge. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. I normally use II and III. Im a luthier and use TBI for most of a guitars construction. Ive recently taken up some pressure laminate testing with TiteBond III, whereas a glass soaked (with TiteBond III) skin is applied over a wooden substrate (plywood). That is good for attaching a fingerboard to the neck. Titebond Original and Titebond II lose about 50% of their strength at 150. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Because many types of wood glue will not release after curing, hide glue is your choice when building wooden instruments, fine furniture or adhering wood veneers. Timber Grain also participates in affiliate programs with Clickbank, CJ, ShareASale, Impact, and other sites.
I may end up changing that plan! One I have heard folks use in the past is Resorcinol: http://www.dap.com/product_det..duct_id=43 Make sure the wood is as dry as possible and the surface is as smooth as possible. An example would be white spruce mixed with red cedar or oak mixed with mahogany. But my gut reaction is that its fine. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. It doesnt stick to itself, which makes repairs a pain in the butt joint. Finishing is 3 parts chemistry and 1 part VooDoo :shifty: The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. All versions of Titebond Wood Glue share many of the same properties, but with a few key differences. Waving a propane torch over the work (quickly), is all there is to it. You might have the best case scenario if you simply use a polished sharp flexible putty knife to remove any squeeze out prior to it hardening rather than have any of it soak in. The glue lines have shrunk up quite a bit, but are still holding.
My neighbors new cedar fences got destroyed, but mine didnt even budge and the staining is still brilliant. Should I glue the bench top or use 2 1/2 #8 screws? Thanks for the info Marc. Ive always taken open time to mean the time youve got to clamp things up. Because you mention Luthiers, why not Tightbond 50? It doesnt mean epoxy isnt waterproof, but it does mean you shouldnt park a boat, glued together with epoxy over an active underwater volcano, or some delamination might result.
I prefer titebond II over original for one reason, finger cleanup. Then about a year ago I needed Gorilla again for some reason and bought a new small bottle. Im assuming these joints wont hold well, but I wondered if anyone else had had this happened before, and if so if the joints held or not? I needed a good food-safe Is Plywood Flat Anymore? Marc, Havent noticed the dark glue lines but now I have something to watch for. See my post on this. I have an unheated. I use TB II as the middle of the road glue. You made the right choice in my opinion. In general I keep just one on hand too. :icon_smile: Learning more about tools everyday :thumbsup: Typically, I'll leave mortise and tenon or edge to edge glue ups in clamps over night. What glue would you recommend for building laminated wood canoe paddles? Maybe Titebond III doesnt penetrate the wood fibers as well as Titebond II? As I mentioned, my current testing is exploring the strong points of this goo, such as its elongation and ability to recover with environmental changes. I recently had someone give me crap for using TB III on a project when all I needed was Titebond Orginal. The glue joint is not really visible anyway as it is only 0.1mm thick at best. Dap Resorcicnol Glue has been discontinued by the manufacturer. If you did stock your shop with all three youd also have to try to use up all three over the course of a year or so before the glue goes bad. That way, I dont have to think about it and I use is up (just a part time hobbiest) before it goes bad.
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